Saturday, February 25, 2023

Antitheus Interview

 

1.Can you give us an update on what has been going on with the band since the recording and release of the new album?


We’ve been hard at work promoting this album in every way we can. Overall, we’ve been very pleased with the positive response we’ve received thus far. We are also working on some other special things, but it’s too early to divulge. -Erick



2.In January you had released a new album, musically how does it differ from the stuff you have released in the past?


This album is a lot more refined in comparison to our previous work, both in the composition and production. We worked very hard to put together the story for the album and make it flow effortlessly and my goal from the beginning was to achieve a more polished production. -Erick



3.This is also your first release since 2016, can you tell us a little bit more about what has been going on during this time frame?



Our last release was when we were young and had more people in the band. Since then, we’ve all gone to do our own things, but Erick and I came together a few years ago to want to work on an album. A few of the songs were much older and written around that time frame, but all of the others were written during the pandemic. We recorded and produced everything ourselves and out of our own homes. Now we’re even across the country from one another. It’s been tough but also incredibly rewarding for both of us to finally throw our hats into the ring and have something out there. -Martin



4.What are some of the lyrical topics and subjects the band explores with the newer release?


The biggest theme is that of humanity, the mistakes we make, and the consequences of our actions. It’s present in every song on this album. We cover the original sin of Adam and Eve, how we treat our planet, how we treat each other and the ways in which our actions in the world can have dire consequences. A lot of these lyrical themes stem from the landscape of that time and just watching every single day on social media or the news about how humanity was degrading and becoming more divisive. We get one shot at all of this, so it’s hard to watch the ways in which we fail. Thus, it’s truly about all of the faults of our kind. -Martin


5.You also written a song about 'Baba Yaga', do you have an interest in mythology?


Of course! Mythology is always a fun way to be able to talk about themes and stories. Baba Yaga for me was such a fun song to write. I am half Russian and being able to tell this gruesome version of the story allowed me to connect with that side of me a lot more. Also, the imagery of Baba Yaga and her home is a ton of fun and not one that many Americans are familiar with. It’s great to help bring it more to life and shine some light on the haunting bedtime story. Remember: don’t run away from your parents at night! -Martin



6.What is the meaning and inspiration behind the name 'Antitheus''?


In its simplest form, it means ‘devil’ in Latin. When we started the band, it was just a cool word that we found that sounded pretty metal. As I’ve gotten older, I grow more and more attached to it. For me, it’s turned into this idea of being not just anti-God, but really anti-everything. It’s helped me to think about things in a different light and just be able to write from a different perspective. -Martin



7.Can you tell us a little bit more about the artwork that is presented on the new album cover?


The artwork is so gorgeous. It was done by Luke Tucker who does these amazing oil-on-panel landscapes. We came to him with the concept of someone wandering a desolate landscape and living with the reality of the mistakes they made. We also wanted some oranges and browns in there. He took all of that direction and made an album cover like no other. The way the fiery clouds meet the blue sky is just my absolute favorite. The feeling of loneliness and isolation it evokes is exactly what I wanted. I have the actual painting hanging over me currently and I look at it every day. I’m so thankful for what he made and so proud of the look and feel of it. It’s super unique and I’m very happy with it. -Martin



8.Currently there are only 2 members in the band, are you planning on expanding the line up or do you prefer to remain a duo?


We have been talking about wanting to expand our lineup. It has been many years since we’ve had a full lineup and I think I can speak for both of us in that we miss playing live. It just boils down to us finding people who are the right fit for this band. -Erick



9.Currently the band is unsigned, are you looking for a label or have received any interest?


There’s definitely interest on our part and we have received some label interest. Just like with our lineup, we want it to ensure it’s a good fit for us as a band. Ultimately, I’d love to see this band elevate to new heights and reach new audiences. -Erick



10.On a worldwide level how has the reaction been to your music by fans of melodic black and death metal? 


The response has been super positive! It’s been great hearing from fans all over the world telling us which song has been their favorite from the album. Because we draw inspiration from so many subgenres of metal, I think that there’s moments on this album that will resonate with everyone. -Erick



11.Where do you see the band heading into musically during the future?


Musically, I don’t foresee there being much of a departure from our current sound. We have always derived inspiration from so many of the subgenres of metal which helps keep things fresh but also doesn’t necessarily put us into a box. Even on this album there are parts that touch across so many of the different styles of metal that it’s hard to define us as one specific style of metal. We will always have that melodic, blackened, death metal feel because that’s what we like to write and what we like to listen to. -Erick


12.What are some of the bands or musical styles the band members are currently listening to nowadays?


Currently I’ve been really into the latest Brymir album, but Children of Bodom, Gojira, Meshuggah, and Dimmu Borgir are always on heavy rotation. -Erick


Right now I’ve been listening to a lot of Gojira, Sylosis, Orbit Culture, and the new In Flames album. As far as styles, all metal all the time! -Martin


13.Before we wrap up this interview, do you have any final words or thoughts?


We both just want to thank everyone who has been in support of us thus far, whether it’s listening to a song, listening to the whole album, following us on social media, buying a shirt, or however you are. We really appreciate it! If you haven’t yet, go check out The Faults of Our Kind!

Maudiir/Soliloque/2023 EP Review

 


  Montreal,  Quebec,  Canada's  solo  artist  Maudiir  has  returned  with  a  new  recording  which  shows  the  music  going  for  more  of  a  melodic  and  progressive  mixture  of  black  and  thrash  metal  and  this  is  a  review  of  his  self  released  2023  ep  "Soliloque"  which  will  be  released  in  April.


  A  very  heavy,  melodic  and  old  school  sound  starts  off  the  ep  while  you  can  also  hear  all  of  the  musical  instruments  that  are  present  on  the  recording.  The  solos  and  leads  also  add  in  a  great  amount  of  melody  along  with  the  faster  sections  of  the  songs  also  adding  in  a  great  amount  of  tremolo  picking  and  blast b eats.


  Vocals  are  mostly  high  pitched  black  metal  screams  while  the  songs  also  add  in  a  decent  mixture  of  slow,  mid  paced  and  fast  parts.  A  lot  of  the  riffing  also  brings  in  elements  of  thrash  metal  along  with  the  music  also  having  it s progressive  moments  and  the  tracks  also  add  in  a  decent  mixture  of  both  old  school  and  modern  influences,  the  whole  recording  also  sticks  to  a  heavier  musical  direction.


  On  this  recording  Maudiir  takes  the  heavier  side  of  progressive  metal  and  mixes  it  with  melodic  black  and  thrash  metal  to  create  a  very  heavy  recording.  The  production  sounds  very  professional  while  the  lyrics  cover  environmental  issues.


  In  my  opinion  this  is  another  great  sounding  recording  from  Maudiir  and  if  you  are  a  fan  of  melodic  and  progressive  black  and  thrash  metal,  you  should  check  out  this  ep.  RECOMMENDED  TRACKS  INCLUDE  "Toxic  Cloud"  and  "CH4".  8  out  of  10.


  Facebook.com/people/Maudiir/100063607593649 | Twitter.com/maudiir1 | Instagram.com/maudiirofficial  


      

Friday, February 24, 2023

NorthZyklon/Inter Eos/Atra Anduin Records/2022 Full Length Review

 


      

  NorthZyklon  are  a  band  from  Russia   that  plays  a  melodic  mixture  of  black  and  death  metal  and  this  is  a  review  of  their  2023  album  "Inter  Eos"  which  was  released  by  Atra Anduin Records.


  A  very  fast,  heavy  and  melodic  sound  starts  off  the  album  which  also  utilizes  a  great  amount  of  tremolo  picking  and  blast  beats.  Vocals  are  mostly  high  pitched  black  metal  screams  while  the  music  is  also  very  heavily  rooted  in  the  classic  Swedish  style  and  the  guitar  solos  and  leads  also  add  in  a  great  amount  of  melody. 


  Throughout  the  album  you  can  also  hear  a  decent  mixture  of  slow,  mid  paced  and  fast  parts  while  the  songs  also  add  in  a  great  amount  of  death  metal  elements  as  well  as  a  small  amount  of  growls.  Throat  singing  and  spoken  word  parts  can  also  be  heard  briefly  along  with  all  of  the  musical  instruments  on  the  recording  also  having  a  very  powerful  sound  to  them,  one  of  the  tracks  also  introduces  clean  playing  into  the  music  and  one  song  is  also  an  instrumental


  NorthZyklon  plays  a  musical  style  that  takes  the  melodic  forms  of  black  and  death  metal  and  mixes  them  together  to  create  a  sound  of  their  own.  The  production  sounds  very  professional  while  the  lyrics  cover  darkness,  death  and  occultism  themes.


  In  my  opinion  NorthZyklon  are  a  very  great  sounding  melodic  mixture  of  black  and  death  metal  and  if  you  are  a  fan  of  those  musical  genres,  you  should  check  out  this  band.  RECOMMENDED  TRACKS  INCLUDE  "Dance  Of  The  Black  Fire"  "Non-God-Non-Father"  "Sarke"  and  "Dissolving  In  A  Dream".  8  out  of  10.


  https://northzyklon.bandcamp.com/album/inter-eos      

Tuesday, February 21, 2023

Gorgonchrist/Fish In A Mountain/2023 Full Length Review

 


  Gorgonchrist  are  a  band  from  the  United  Kingdom  that  has  been  featured  before  in  this  zine  and  on  this  recording  plays  a  mixture  of  black,  sludge  metal,  crust  and  grindcore  and  this  is  a  review  of  their  self  released  2023  album  "Fish  In  A  Mountain"  which  will b e  released  in  march.


  A  very  dark  yet  heavy  sound  starts  off  the  album  while  the  slower  sections  of  the  songs  bring  in  elements  of  sludge  metal.  Vocals  are  mostly  black  metal  screams  along  with  all  of  the  musical  instruments  on  the  recording  also  having  a  very  powerful  sound  to  them  and  the  mid  tempo  sections  of t he  songs  are  heavily  rooted  in  crust  punk.


  Melodies  are  also  added  into  some  of  the  guitar  riffing  while  spoken  word  parts  can  also  be  heard  briefly  on  a  couple  of  the  songs.  Growls  can  also  be  heard  in  certain  sections  of  the  recording  along  with  the  music  also  showing  an  influence  of  old  school  grindcore  at  times  and  when t he  music  speeds  up  a  decent  amount  of  blast  beats  can  also  be  heard,  clear  vocals  are  also  added  on  a  couple  of  tracks  and  the  whole  recording  also  sticks  to  a  heavier  direction.


  On  this  recording  Gorgonchrist  moves  away  from  the  industrial  elements  of  their  previous  release  and  goes  for  more  of  a mixture  of b lack,  sludge  metal,  crust  punk  and  grindcore.  The  production  sounds  very  professional  while  the  lyrics  cover  horror  and  humor  themes.


  In  my  opinion  this  is  another  great  sounding  recording  from  Gorgonchrist  and  if  you  are  a  fan  of  black,  sludge  metal,  crust  punk  and  grindcore,  you  should  check  out  this  album.  RECOMMENDED  TRACKS  INCLUDE  "Fellowship  Of  The  Christ"  "Dick  Pic  Graveyard"  "Questions  Form  A  Victorian  Mortuary"  and  "Lonely  Wanker".  8 out  of  10.


  www.facebook.com/gorgonchrist



Wednesday, February 15, 2023

Lathebra/Angels' Twilight Odes/My Kingdom Music/2023 Demo Re-Issue Review

 


  Lathebra  where  a  band  from  Italy  that  played  a  melodic  mixture  of  black, dark  and  doom  metal  and  this  is  a review  of  their  1997  demo  "Angels;  Twilight  Odes"  which  will  be  re-issued  in  march,  2023  by  my  Kingdom  Music.


  Classical  guitars  start  off  the  demo  while  spoken  word  parts  can  also  be  heard  briefly  before  going  into  a  heavier  direction.  Most  of  the  tracks  are  also  very  long  and  epic  in  length  while  the  vocals  are  mostly  grim  sounding  black  metal  screams  along  with  the  slower  sections  of  the  songs  also  bringing  in  elements  of  dark  and  doom  metal.


  When  guitar  soloes  and  leads  are  utilized  they  are  also  done  in  a  very  melodic  style  while  the  riffs  also  add  in a   great  amount  of  melody.  Spoken  word  parts  also  return  on  later  tracks  along  with  all  of  the  musical  instruments  on  the  recording  also  having  a  very  powerful sound  to  them  as  well  as  one  song  also  introducing  clean  playing  onto  the  recording.


  When  the  music  speeds  up  a  small  amount  of  blast  beats  and  tremolo  picking  can  be  heard.  Rain  and  thunder  sounds  are  also  utilized  briefly  and  keyboards  are  added  on  the  closing  track  which  is  also  an  instrumental.  The  production  sounds  very  old  school  while  the  lyrics  cover  melancholy,  yearning  and  loneliness  themes.  


  In  my  opinion  Lathebra  where  a  very  great  sounding  melodic  mixture  of b lack,  dark  and  doom  metal  and  if  you  are  a  fan  of  those  musical  genres,  you  should  check  out  this  band.  RECOMMENDED  TRACKS  INCLUDE  "My  Velvet  Dusk"  and  "Benighted  Embrace".  8  out  of  10.


  http://facebook.com/lathebra1996 

Tuesday, February 14, 2023

Shit Hexis Interview

 

1.For those that have never heard of you before, can you tell us a little bit about the band?


Hey, first of all, thanks for the interview for your webzine. We have been playing together for more than ten years. We previously had a psychedelic doom band, Mills of God, with Kai (now Yagow), with which we released an LP on Modus Operandi (the band also continued to exist for a while with a slightly different musical direction under the name Dead Widows). After the breakup of MOG, we didn't make music at all for several years, mainly for family reasons. 


In 2018 I contacted Pat with the idea of forming a band again as a duo. All started well off, the feeling was right back after all that time and we quickly had enough songs together for a whole set. Over time, a good friendship has grown out of it, we often spend half of the rehearsal just hanging out, drinking beer and talking....



2.In December you had released your first album, can you tell us a little bit more about the musical style that you went for on the recording?


So we are very happy that Alex released the record on Bleeding Heart Nihilist. The record actually has a bit of a history. We had actually finished recording in summer 2019. We recorded the songs in an industrial hall, with our buddy Jan, who is by the way a sound engineer. It was a mix of DIY and professional arrangement. We are super satisfied with the sound. Jan was able to understand what we were sound-wise aiming for and had no problem with the fact that everything was recorded extremely loud and with some extreme feedback, haha… After that Jan was very busy at work, so mixing and mastering took almost one year (also due to the crappy pandemic situation). 

Alex from BHN Prod. and I used to go to school together for a while and, if I remember correctly, we also had a band together for a short time (Nihil Obstat). 

The year before he also released a tape of Lebend Relique, a solo project of mine with T. from Wigrid on vocals, so it kind of made sense to touch base with him for the Shit Hexis release. I think that the label roster of BHN is really characterized by very good, unconventional bands (e.g. Cruda Sorte, Sunshine & Lollipops, Wigrid, Noia, Arcane Frost, Fvneral Fvkk etc.). 

Due to the pandemic and some other projects with Alex, the final release was delayed again. For several reasons it took another year, so it ended up being Dec. 2022 when the record was ready to be released. And the songs are now almost 3-4 years old, haha. But we are happy with the collaboration with Alex, which is on an uncomplicated and friendly basis. We would have liked to release the record also on vinyl, but that was financially and also due to the tense situation in the pressing plants not an option. But maybe one day….


Concerning the musical style it was clear from the beginning that it should go in the direction of sludge. We had in mind a sound like Moss, Burning Witch, Eye Hate God. Certainly bands like Mantar or Black Cobra were an inspiration to realize it as a duo. Pat is more into punk/indie, while I listen to a lot of death and black metal - the common intersection is doom/sludge - and so in the end the songs developed quite quickly and naturally in this melange. The important thing was that the whole thing sounds ugly and shitty, haha. More primitive than progressive - I think that worked quite well. In the constellation as a duo, the equipment must not be underestimated . I play two amps in parallel, not particularly loud anymore, but sonically somewhat different - that's already important, so that the sound also has the violence of a 'whole' band.



3.What are some of the lyrical topics and subjects you have explored so far with the music?


Mhh..well, I understand Shit Hexis as a political band. Often there is this premise that music and politics should be kept apart, especially in metal music. This is difficult for me to understand or even illusory, because the issues that we express as people are always the product of a certain socio-political constellation (even if we are sometimes more or less aware). 

The topic that concerned me at that time and still does today is the strengthening of a dull nationalism. This actuality of nationalistic or ethnic home discourses and blatant racism are for me ultimately childish and regressive ways of reaction to flee from the complexity of late-modern societies. Especially in (Black-)Metal the identification with Germanic mythology is a big topic and there it often tips over into racist fantasies of superiority. That is just absurd for me. It's ultimately a crappy coincidence where the universe has shat you out and there is no reason for you to feel somehow better or more valuable or to be particularly proud of a certain tradition, which under other circumstances could have been quite simply another one. Behind it there is often a great emotional insecurity or emptiness and often also a feeling of alienation, which overlooks and/or fades out the social and economic contexts and then seeks orientation in the identification with simplistic cultural interpretations. 

I am down with everyone who is interested in the traditions and mythologies of his cultural area, being fascinated by them or even identifying with them. But in the end the Edda remains just as much a fantasy epic as the Bible etc. And most of the pagan “black metal warriors” are also doing their 9 to 5 job, painting their board game figures at home, drinking honey beer in the village pub and thinking they are at war with modern civilization because they are wearing army pants and a mjölnir pendant from a mailorder catalogue around their neck. 

The lyrics on the record are partly a certain vulgar persiflage of this context. I also sing in German because I can express myself better that way and I also like the aesthetics of the German language. In my eyes, tradition is not problematic, only the uncritical and patriotic handling of it. Adorno, for example, reflected this quite well in the essay “Was ist deutsch?” (“What is German”).


4.You have also taken an anti occult or esoteric viewpoint, can you tell us a little bit more about these views?


The standpoint is not 'anti'-occultist. My relationship to it is rather a skeptical one. I had recently read the book “The Devils Cradle - The Story of Finnish Black Metal” by Tero Ikäheimonen and was in a way also fascinated by the spectrum of occultism in Black Metal and also how seriously the topic is taken there. In principle I can also appreciate the premises, as they are represented for example in the concept of the 'Left Hand Path': Autonomy of the self, greater attention to our corporeality and the associated 'dark' desires, breaking with social (sexual) conventions, dealing with questions of transcendence and spirituality, etc. Ultimately, this has its roots in Hindu and Buddhist body and meditation practices, which I also practice myself.

However, the impression that often creeps over me in the omnipresent 'occult' themes is also that it is mostly just a rather content-less form of aesthetic production and/or a certain 'cozy' form of escaping the world. Often it seems to me that a certain biographical lack of orientation and meaning is filled. Or rather, it also seems to be about satisfying a certain religious desire of integration into this cosmos in a meaningful way. That is also human and completely legitimate. Ultimately, however, I would also ask the question here: why seek salvation in any magical or supernatural phenomena? Sure, this is fascinating and can be found in all religious liturgies. But doesn't the perceived longing for a higher meaning or the suffering (from the meaninglessness) in one's own life rather have its reasons in an unfamiliar handling of one's own body, the unresolved issues of one's own (family) biography and especially with the social and economic conditions in which one grows up and lives? So from this point of view I see much clearer and realistic answers in our 'occidental' philosophy and history of science: with regard to the questions of an aesthetic way of life in the 'existential philosophy' of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, respectively in the psychoanalysis of Freud with regard to dealing with questions of corporeality and unsatisfied needs/taboos, and in a structuralist, non-ideological reading of Marxism with regard to the widespread feeling of alienation. But sure, dealing with social reality and oneself is just not as cool as creeping through the forest with corpse paint and feeling the devil in the ether, haha.



5.What is the meaning and inspiration behind the name 'Shit Hexis'?


The term Hexis has nothing to do with witchcraft or magic. We are referring to the original greek meaning, which means something like a basic attitude, character or way of life or 'habitus'. It's about this basic, optimistic attitude towards life that everything sucks, haha.



6.Can you tell us a little bit more about the artwork that is presented on the new album cover?


The artwork and logo are done by Chris/Misanthropic Art. We sent him the lyrics of 'Le mort saisit le vif' as an inspiration. This is a Marx quote: the dead grasps the living, which means that the structures of 'alienated labor' historically catch up with us again and again in a new form. The lyrics read:


Deep from the black mud

of the class struggle stare 1000 pupils.

They reflect a gray light

that cuts through all humanity.

The stench is bestial.


In a way, it's the clichéd, but somehow also increasingly realistic dystopian vision that humanity manages to wipe itself out quite well in the long run and that it's often difficult to look to the future with hope. In this respect it is an extremely well done visualization of our lyrics. He really worked very committedly and professionally.



7.Currently there are only 2 members in the band, are you open to expanding the line up or do you prefer to remain a duo?


We will definitely remain a duo. This constellation makes it so much easier to write songs, organize dates and make all other decisions regarding the band. I also think that we manage it well in terms of sound, that there is no feeling that something is 'missing'. It's also quite cool to see that especially at the live shows people are surprised how 'brutal' a two-piece line-up can be, haha.



8.Has the band done any live shows or open to the idea?


Yeah, sure. We've played a handful of shows around here. Some of them with our good friends Turin Horse and Geisterfaust. We also try to organize shows ourselves to revive the metal underground a bit and are also constantly looking for gig opportunities. So get in touch with us!



9.On a worldwide level how has the reaction been to your music by fans of black, sludge and doom metal?


Since we didn't have a demo and the record is freshly released, there are hardly any reactions so far. We are also trying to publish it through the usual social media channels and Alex/BHN Prod. is doing his best in terms of promotion. But the net is overcrowded with good (and not so good) bands. I find this whole internet publicity often very exhausting and annoying, so it's even nicer when every now and then a review or an interview request like this one comes along…



10.Where do you see the band heading into musically during the future?


I think we will start writing new songs soon. They are going to be a bit more dark and disgusting, but also a bit more homogeneous and maybe more primitive and simple. So the stench of hopelessness will be a bit more acrid in the nose, aargh.



11.What are some of the bands or musical styles that have had an influence on your music and also what are you listening to nowadays?


As already said, bands like Moss, Burning Witch, Iron Monkey, EHG, Meth Drinker, Graves At Sea or Buried at Sea were certainly a clear influence, also doom bands like Black Sabbath, Sleep or Electric Wizard, punk like Black Flag, Subhumans or His Hero is Gone but also old Hellhammer, Sodom, Bathory, Darkthrone, Mayhem, Dodheimsgard etc..


Lately the following tapes and records were on my stereo: Unholy, Predatory Light, Baxaxaxa, Katatonia, Watain, Eremit, Impaled Nazarene, Bell Witch, Xasthur, Korpelarörelsen, Wagner Ödegard, Black Curse, Undergang, Thou, Mizmor, Mortiferum, Azaghal, Conan, Flotsam and Jetsam, but also Portishead, Nirvana, The Cure, Tenhi, Soft Kill, Sleater Kinney, Brutus and Afghan Whigs.



12.Before we wrap up this interview, do you have any final words or thoughts?  


Nope, not really. Except for a huge thank you for your review and questions! Has been a pleasure.

Saturday, February 11, 2023

Besatt/Hjemkomst/2023 Full Length Review

 


  Besatt  are  a  duo  from  Norway  that  plays  an  avant  garde  form  of  black  metal  and  this  is  a  review  of  their  self  released  2023  album  "Hjemkomst".


  Heavy  yet  melodic  sounding  riffing  stats  off  the  album  while  the  vocals  are  mostly  angry  sounding  black  metal  screams.  The  songs  also  add  in  a  great  amount  of  avant  garde  structures  along  with  some  tracks  also  adding  in  a  small  amount  of  clean  playing  and  when  the  music  speeds  up  a  decent  amount  of  blast b eats  can  be  heard.


  When  guitar  solos  and  leads  are  utilized  they  are  also  done  in  a  very  melodic  style  while  the  songs  also  add  in  a  decent  mixture  of  slow,  mid  paced  and  fast  parts.  Shouts  can  also be  heard  at  times  along  with  one  track  also  introducing  keyboards  onto  the  recording  and  all  of  the  musical  instruments  also  have  a  very  powerful  sound  to  them.   


  Besatt  plays  a  style  of  avant  garde  black  metal  that  is  very  modern  sounding  and  different  from  most  bands  of  their  home  country.  The  production  sounds  very  professional  while  the  lyrics  are  written  on  Norwegian  and  cover  mental  illness  and  horror  themes.


  In  my  opinion  Besatt  are  a  very  great  sound9ing  avant  garde  black  metal b and  and  if  you  are  a  fan  of  this  musical  genre,  you  should  check  out  this  album.  RECOMMENDED  TRACKS  INCLUDE  "Nekromanti"  "Nemesis"  and  "Gromstad".  8 out  of  10.